Subject: RE: [ITU+IETF] comments on workshop issue 7 (E.212 IMSIs ...) - l ong

From: "Emad Qaddoura" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:48:00 -0600

Hi Fred,

	When we are ready for a new revision, we will apply your comments
below.

Thanks,
Emad.

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> Subject: Fwd: [ITU+IETF] comments on workshop issue 7 (E.212 
> IMSIs ...)
> - long
> 
> 
> Folks:
> 
> You are the authors of various drafts and RFCs before the 
> house. ITU SG2
> has requested (well, not in so many words, but this is what 
> they want) that
> in your next revision of your documents, you include the 
> reference to E.212
> found near the end of this note, point to it at your first use of the
> acronym "IMSI", and that you review the current E.212 
> document to make sure
> that your proposal is in keeping with the current specification.
> 
> It might be worth your while to run that update by Mr. 
> Gallant for comment
> when you make the change.
> 
> Thanks for looking into that.
> 
> Fred
> 
> >From: [email-masked]
> >Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:47:21 -0800
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> >Cc: "Ash; Gerald R (Jerry); ALARC" <[email-masked]>,
> >        Emad Qaddoura <[email-masked]>,
> >        Haseeb Akhtar <[email-masked]>,
> >        Mohamed Khalil <[email-masked]>,
> >        Raja Narayanan <[email-masked]>,
> >        "Shaw; Robert" <[email-masked]>,
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> >        "Tar; John" <[email-masked]>, Fred Baker <[email-masked]>
> >Subject: [ITU+IETF] comments on workshop issue 7 (E.212 
> IMSIs ...) - long
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> >     This is a set of comments on Workshop Issue 7 (E.212 
> IMSIs ...), and 
> >     consists of:
> >     
> >     -  description,
> >     -  search results,
> >     -  information on E.212, and
> >     -  other comments.
> >     
> >     1.  From the Workshop Report, the description of Issue 7 is:
> >     
> >     -  Issue #:               7
> >     -  Issue Title:           E.212 - IMSIs & mobility with IP
> >     -  Issue Description:     In IETF documents, IMSI's are
> >                               mentioned but ITU-T Rec E.212
> >                               is not often referenced. A review
> >                               of the IETF documents is
> >                               needed to ensure that the
> >                               appropriate use of the term
> >                               IMSI is used.
> >     -  Related Work:          Rec. E.212
> >                               Rec. E.214
> >                               3GPP
> >                               3GPP2
> >     -  Responsible Forum:     IETF
> >     
> >     2.  Internet Drafts and RFCs were searched for mentions 
> of E.212 and 
> >     IMSIs.  The search results were:
> >     
> >     -  For E.212:             2 Internet Drafts
> >                               0 RFCs
> >     -  For IMSI:              6 Internet Drafts
> >                               1 RFC (current
> >     
> >     The Internet Drafts mentioning E.212 were:
> >     
> >     -  SS7 over internet applicability statement
> >        (draft-coene-ss7-over-ip-00.txt) and
> >     -  Internet and SS7 addressing
> >        (draft-coene-ss7-IP-addr-00.txt).
> >     
> >     The Internet Drafts mentioning IMSI were:
> >     
> >     -  Transparent Hierarchical Mobility Agents (THEMA)
> >        (draft-mccann-thema-00.txt)
> >     -  Support of IPv6 over Cellular Communications Systems (6Tel)
> >        (draft-afifi-sixtel-00.txt)
> >     -  IP Mobility Architecture Framework
> >        (draft-ietf-mobileip-ipm-arch-00.txt)
> >     -  IP Mobility Architecture Framework
> >        (draft-becker-mobileip-ipm-arch-00.txt)
> >     -  Key Exchange for Network Architectures (KENA)
> >        (draft-mkhalil-mobileip-kena-00.txt)
> >     -  Mobile PPP (MPPP)
> >        (draft-ietf-pppext-mppp-01.txt)
> >     
> >     The RFC mentioning IMSI was:  Wireless Device Configuration 
> >     (OTASP/OTAPA) via ACAP (RFC2636).
> >     
> >     3.  Recommendation E.212 was revised by ITU-T Study 
> Group 2 in 1998.  
> >     The title is "THE INTERNATIONAL IDENTIFICATION PLAN FOR MOBILE 
> >     TERMINALS AND MOBILE USERS."  The revision reflects the 
> more general 
> >     scope of the term IMSI ("international mobile 
> subscriber identity" -- 
> >     formerly known as the "international mobile station 
> identity") and 
> >     what IMSIs could be used for.
> >     
> >     The "Table of Contents and Summary of Recommendation 
> E.212 (11/98)" 
> >     may be found at 
> "http://www.itu.int/itudoc/itu-t/rec/e/s_e212.html".  
> >     The summary is":
> >     
> >       "A plan for unique international identification of 
> mobile terminals 
> >     and mobile users is required in order to enable these 
> terminals and 
> >     users to roam among public networks which offer 
> mobility services. 
> >     International Mobile Subscriber Identity (IMSI) is 
> required so that a 
> >     visited network can identify a roaming mobile terminal 
> or mobile user, 
> >     e.g. in order to query a subscriber's home network for 
> subscription 
> >     and billing information.
> >     
> >       "Recommendation E.190 describes the general principles to be 
> >     utilized in the assignment of ITU-T E-series 
> international numbering 
> >     resources. The procedures in this Recommendation, E.212, were 
> >     developed in accordance with the principles contained in 
> >     Recommendation E.190, and the statements contained in 
> Recommendation 
> >     E.190 take precedence over Recommendation E.212."
> >     
> >     The scope of E.212 is:  "This Recommendation describes an 
> >     international identification plan for mobile terminals 
> or mobile users 
> >     of public networks enabling roaming capabilities. It 
> also establishes 
> >     procedures for the assignment of International Mobile 
> Subscriber 
> >     Identities (IMSIs) to the mobile terminals and mobile 
> users of such 
> >     networks. This Recommendation describes the format of the IMSI."
> >     
> >     It is also noted there that:  "an IMSI could be used to 
> identify a UPT 
> >     user or a subscriber to mobility services, as well as 
> to identify a 
> >     mobile terminal."
> >     
> >     A reference to E.212 from the ITU web site is:  "[E.212] 
> >     Recommendation E.212 (11/98) - The international 
> identification plan 
> >     for mobile terminals and mobile users."
> >     
> >     4.  Other comments:
> >     
> >     a.  As Fred Baker said in an email, "... fundamentally, 
> I think the 
> >     ITU folks wanted to make sure that IETF use of "IMSI" 
> and theirs 
> >     correspond ...".  I agree.
> >     b.  The revisions to E.212 may be of interest to the IETF.
> >     c.  I am not aware of any other Workshop-related issues 
> for E.212 
> >     except for referencing the current version of the document.
> >     d.  I am not aware of issues relevant to E.214, at 
> least in ITU-T SG2, 
> >     and there's not been any recent work on it there.  
> Perhaps whoever 
> >     suggested adding E.214 to the Related Work section of 
> the Workshop 
> >     matrix could identify if there are any issues that do 
> fall within the 
> >     Workshop's focus on Numbering, Naming, Addressing, and Routing.
> >     
> >     -Andy Gallant
> >     
> >
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