Subject: [Paw] Renaming after IETF

From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 15:54:55 +0000

Dear all:

One comment by the IESG is that the proposed name of PAW is too similar to a that of a past WG called PAWS.
So we'll need to find a new name. The proposal on the table is SPAWN for " Scheduled Predictable and Available Wireless Networks".

Comments / suggestions welcome!

Pascal

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From: "Prof. Diego Dujovne" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 13:00:41 -0300

SPAWN sounds good. Hopefully, it will not be mistaken with Spam.
Regards,

            Diego

El jue., 7 de mar. de 2019 12:55, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <
[email-masked]> escribió:

> So we’ll need to find a new name. The proposal on the table is SPAWN for “
> Scheduled Predictable and Available Wireless Networks”.
>
>
>
> --
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From: "Grossman, Ethan A." <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 18:03:25 +0000

I like it, it sounds evil!
E.

From: Paw <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Prof. Diego Dujovne
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 8:01 AM
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Paw] Renaming after IETF

            Diego

El jue., 7 de mar. de 2019 12:55, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>> escribió:
Dear all:

One comment by the IESG is that the proposed name of PAW is too similar to a that of a past WG called PAWS.
So we’ll need to find a new name. The proposal on the table is SPAWN for “ Scheduled Predictable and Available Wireless Networks”.

Pascal

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From: Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 18:06:51 +0000

How about DetWN ?
Hesham

From: Paw [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 7:55 AM
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Subject: [Paw] Renaming after IETF

Dear all:

Pascal

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From: Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 18:09:23 +0000

Or perhaps DAWN: Deterministic Available Wireless Network.

From: Paw [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Hesham ElBakoury
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 10:07 AM
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Paw] Renaming after IETF

How about DetWN ?
Hesham

From: Paw [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 7:55 AM
To: [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]' <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>
Subject: [Paw] Renaming after IETF

Dear all:

Pascal

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From: Xavi Vilajosana Guillen <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 08:37:00 +0100

+1 for DAWN: Deterministic Available Wireless Network.

Missatge de Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked]> del dia dj., 7
de març 2019 a les 19:09:

> *From:* Paw [mailto:[email-masked]] *On Behalf Of *Hesham ElBakoury
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 7, 2019 10:07 AM
> *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
> *Cc:* [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Paw] Renaming after IETF
>
>
>
> How about DetWN ?
>
> Hesham
>
>
>
> *From:* Paw [mailto:[email-masked] <paw-bounces@ietf..org>] *On
> Behalf Of *Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 7, 2019 7:55 AM
> *To:* [email-masked]
> *Cc:* [email-masked]' <[email-masked]>
> *Subject:* [Paw] Renaming after IETF
>
>
>
> Dear all:
>
>
>

-- 
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Wireless Networks Lab

*Internet Interdisciplinary Institute (IN3)Professor*
(+34) 646 633 681
[email-masked] <[email-masked]>
http://xvilajosana.org
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From: "Dr. Corinna Schmitt" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 08:44:28 +0100

+1 for DAWN

Am 08.03.19 um 08:37 schrieb Xavi Vilajosana Guillen:
> Missatge de Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked]
> <mailto:[email-masked]>> del dia dj., 7 de març 2019 a
> les 19:09:
>
>     *From:* Paw [mailto:[email-masked]
>     <mailto:[email-masked]>] *On Behalf Of *Hesham ElBakoury
>     *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email-masked]
>     <mailto:[email-masked]>>; [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>
>     *Cc:* [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>'
>     <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
>     *From:* Paw [mailto:[email-masked]
>     <mailto:paw-bounces@ietf...org>] *On Behalf Of *Pascal Thubert
>     (pthubert)
>     *To:* [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>
>     *Cc:* [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>'
>     <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
>     One comment by the IESG is that the proposed name of PAW is too
>     similar to a that of a past WG called PAWS.
>
>     So we’ll need to find a new name. The proposal on the table is
>     SPAWN for “ Scheduled Predictable and Available Wireless Networks”.
>
>      
>
>     [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>
> /Internet Interdisciplinary Institute (IN3)
> Professor/
> (+34) 646 633 681
> [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>
> http://xvilajosana.org
> http://wine.rdi.uoc.edu <http://wine.rdi..uoc.edu>
> Universitat Oberta de Catalunya  
> 

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Email: [email-masked]
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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 08:10:19 +0000

+1 for SPAWN

From: Dr. Corinna Schmitt <[email-masked]>
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 4:44 PM
To: Xavi Vilajosana Guillen <[email-masked]>; Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]; Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Paw] Renaming after IETF

+1 for DAWN

Missatge de Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>> del dia dj., 7 de març 2019 a les 19:09:
Or perhaps DAWN: Deterministic Available Wireless Network.

From: Paw [mailto:[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>] On Behalf Of Hesham ElBakoury
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 10:07 AM
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>; [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>' <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>
Subject: Re: [Paw] Renaming after IETF

How about DetWN ?
Hesham

From: Paw [mailto:[email-masked]<mailto:paw-bounces@ietf...org>] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 7:55 AM
To: [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>
Cc: [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>' <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>
Subject: [Paw] Renaming after IETF

Dear all:

Pascal

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Dr. Xavier Vilajosana
Wireless Networks Lab
Internet Interdisciplinary Institute (IN3)
Professor
(+34) 646 633 681
[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>
http://xvilajosana.org
http://wine.rdi.uoc.edu<http://wine.rdi..uoc.edu>

[Universitat Oberta de Catalunya]  [https://ferranadelantado.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/wine_logo_small2-e1453363995864.png?w=330&h=123]

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Research Institute CODE

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85577 Neubiberg, Germany

Email: [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>

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From: Mališa Vučinić <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 09:28:36 +0100

+1 for DAWN

On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 09:11, <[email-masked]> wrote:

> +1 for SPAWN
>
>
>
> *From:* Dr. Corinna Schmitt <[email-masked]>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 4:44 PM
> *To:* Xavi Vilajosana Guillen <[email-masked]>; Hesham ElBakoury <
> [email-masked]>
> *Cc:* [email-masked]; Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <
> [email-masked]>; [email-masked]
> *From:* Paw [mailto:[email-masked] <paw-bounces@ietf...org>] *On
> *Dr. Xavier Vilajosana*
> *Internet Interdisciplinary Institute (IN3) Professor*
> (+34) 646 633 681
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Av+Carl+Friedrich+Gauss+5,+B3+Building+%0D%0A08860+Castelldefels+(Barcelona).+Catalonia.+Spain&entry=gmail&source=g>
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Av+Carl+Friedrich+Gauss+5,+B3+Building+%0D%0A08860+Castelldefels+(Barcelona).+Catalonia.+Spain&entry=gmail&source=g>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> --
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From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 09:52:11 +0000

Guys,

Part of the game is to avoid “Deterministic” because it causes trouble / endless discussions with some Wi-Fi people people would keep telling us that we cannot do determinism on unlicensed bands…
This is why PAW describes the “deterministic” characteristics that we want to enforce, predictability (worst case time delivery) and availability (reliable with redundancy).
For those reasons, I do not think that DAWN is a good idea, sorry… OTOH, the core aspect of HOW we do it is scheduling by a controller. Thus SPAWN.

All the best,

Pascal

From: Xavi Vilajosana Guillen <[email-masked]>
Sent: vendredi 8 mars 2019 08:37
To: Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked]>
Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Paw] Renaming after IETF

How about DetWN ?
Hesham

From: Paw [mailto:[email-masked]<mailto:paw-bounces@ietf..org>] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)

Dear all:

Pascal

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From: "Cavalcanti, Dave" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 15:57:04 +0000

I agree with Pascal on the issues around the term “Deterministic” in wireless, it would be good to avoid it. We can still focus on the same problems.

Thanks
Dave

Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 1:52 AM

Guys,

All the best,

Pascal

From: Xavi Vilajosana Guillen <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>
Sent: vendredi 8 mars 2019 08:37
To: Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>
Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>; [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>; [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Paw] Renaming after IETF

How about DetWN ?
Hesham

Dear all:

Pascal

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From: "Jerome Henry (jerhenry)" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 16:00:51 +0000

+1 for SPAWN.

Putting the word ‘deterministic’ is like telling security guys of an ‘unbreakable’ security scheme, guaranteed to be an endless source of argument…

Jerome

From: Paw <[email-masked]> on behalf of "Cavalcanti, Dave" <[email-masked]>
Date: Friday, March 8, 2019 at 10:58 AM
To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <[email-masked]>, Xavi Vilajosana Guillen <[email-masked]>, Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked]>
Cc: "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>, "[email-masked]" <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Paw] Renaming after IETF

Thanks
Dave

Guys,

All the best,

Pascal

How about DetWN ?
Hesham

Dear all:

Pascal

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From: "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 17:34:18 +0100

1+ for SPAWN,
Georgios

> On Mar 8, 2019, at 17:00, Jerome Henry (jerhenry) <[email-masked]> wrote:
> 
> +1 for SPAWN.
>  
> From: Paw <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> on behalf of "Cavalcanti, Dave" <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
> To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>, Xavi Vilajosana Guillen <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>, Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
> Cc: "[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>" <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>, "[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>" <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
>  <>From: Paw [mailto:[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
> To: Xavi Vilajosana Guillen <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>; Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
> Cc: [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>
> From: Xavi Vilajosana Guillen <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> 
> To: Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
> Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>; [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>; [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>
> Missatge de Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>> del dia dj., 7 de març 2019 a les 19:09:
> From: Paw [mailto:[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>] On Behalf Of Hesham ElBakoury
> To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>; [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>
> Cc: [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>' <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
> From: Paw [mailto:[email-masked] <mailto:paw-bounces@ietf..org>] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
> To: [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>
> Cc: [email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>' <[email-masked] <mailto:[email-masked]>>
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/paw <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/paw>
> 
>  
> -- 
> Dr. Xavier Vilajosana
> Wireless Networks Lab
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> http://wine.rdi.uoc.edu <http://wine.rdi.uoc.edu/>
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From: "Shankar Ramanathan (shankram)" <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 16:44:02 +0000

SPAWN

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Shankar

From: Paw <[email-masked]> On Behalf Of Georgios Z. Papadopoulos
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 10:34 AM
To: Jerome Henry (jerhenry) <[email-masked]>
Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email-masked]>; Xavi Vilajosana Guillen <[email-masked]>; Cavalcanti, Dave <[email-masked]>; Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Paw] Renaming after IETF

1+ for SPAWN,
Georgios

On Mar 8, 2019, at 17:00, Jerome Henry (jerhenry) <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>> wrote:

+1 for SPAWN.

Jerome

From: Paw <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>> on behalf of "Cavalcanti, Dave" <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>
Date: Friday, March 8, 2019 at 10:58 AM
To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>, Xavi Vilajosana Guillen <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>, Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>
Cc: "[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>" <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>, "[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>" <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>
Subject: Re: [Paw] Renaming after IETF

Thanks
Dave

From: Paw [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 1:52 AM
To: Xavi Vilajosana Guillen <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>; Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>>
Cc: [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>; [email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: [Paw] Renaming after IETF

Guys,

All the best,

Pascal

How about DetWN ?
Hesham

Dear all:

Pascal

--
Dr. Xavier Vilajosana
Wireless Networks Lab
Internet Interdisciplinary Institute (IN3)
Professor
(+34) 646 633 681
[email-masked]<mailto:[email-masked]>
http://xvilajosana.org<http://xvilajosana.org/>
http://wine.rdi.uoc.edu<http://wine.rdi.uoc.edu/>

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From: Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 16:56:01 +0000

Is schedulable predictable latency the same as deterministic latency or controlled latency ?

From: Paw [mailto:[email-masked]] On Behalf Of Georgios Z. Papadopoulos
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 8:34 AM
To: Jerome Henry (jerhenry) <[email-masked]>
Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <[email-masked]>; Xavi Vilajosana Guillen <[email-masked]>; Cavalcanti, Dave <[email-masked]>; Hesham ElBakoury <[email-masked]>; [email-masked]; [email-masked]
Subject: Re: [Paw] Renaming after IETF

1+ for SPAWN,
Georgios

+1 for SPAWN.

Jerome

Thanks
Dave

Guys,

All the best,

Pascal

How about DetWN ?
Hesham

Dear all:

Pascal